Talk: Quotations

== Format of quotes page ==

We have a new extension, "sm2", that displays a small play button instead of the large browser default one. I'd also like to get away from fixed width tables, they are not very accessible on mobile and (maybe its just me) harder to format and modify correctly. I've made a mock up based on Lúcio/Quotes of what I think can be an easier way to display quotes: [[User:MomoRuns/Quotes mockup]]. The first entry in the history shows a minimal change, just removing fixed width of the tables and using the audio template (which uses sm2). [[User:MomoRuns|MomoRuns]] ([[User talk:MomoRuns|talk]]) 16:01, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

:Doing a bit of testing, the Lucio/Quotes page as it is now takes ~8.5 seconds of real time usage (0.9 seconds CPU time). A simple find/replace to change to sm2 and the page is now taking ~0.5 seconds of real time usage and 0.4 seconds CPU time. I believe that this time only applies to edit/preview and if the page is uncached, but it still is a surprising significant increase in performance. [[User:MomoRuns|MomoRuns]] ([[User talk:MomoRuns|talk]]) 16:39, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

::I do like the idea, but I personally feel like it's best to keep the Quotation pages in the same format as it is right now. Say, what if someone wanted to download some of those soundfiles? With the 'sm2' template, you can only listen to them and not download them with that format. Otherwise, I think we should keep the Quotation pages current format. [[User:Gameboy2936|Gameboy2936]] ([[User talk:Gameboy2936|talk]]) 02:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

:::At the time of your comment I had made a drastic layout change on the mockup page. I've reverted to a minimal change now, just removing the fixed width of tables (which we can easily leave unchanged) and using sm2. I understand it makes downloading the files harder, (I have no information on how common that is for a user to do. The admins may be able to tell us, but I imagine its not often)
:::Anyway, the difference in load times of pages is substantial. The server takes 8-15 seconds to respond when a user navigates to a quotes page. By replacing the raw <nowiki>[[File:]]</nowiki> with sm2 the page time usage goes to ~0.5 seconds for even the largest quote pages. I believe that is a worthwhile tradeoff for not being able to download directly from the page.[[User:MomoRuns|MomoRuns]] ([[User talk:MomoRuns|talk]]) 03:23, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

::::Ok, I understand. The page looks almost the same as what it is now, so I can accept that. I do understand as well, there are some pages that have so many voice clips that it takes a very long time to load (such as [[Mercy/Quotes|Mercy's quote page]], so I think this would make it much easier to access.
::::Also, if there are users that want to download those soundfiles, they can be accessed via it's category (for example, Category:Lúcio sound files). So that's a good alternative in that case. [[User:Gameboy2936|Gameboy2936]] ([[User talk:Gameboy2936|talk]]) 04:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

:::::I've gone ahead and changed [[Mercy/Quotes|Mercy's quote page]], if everything looks good I'm happy to update the rest of the pages in the same way. I used the wiki editors built in "Search and replace" with "Search for:" <code>\[\[File:(.*?)\]\]</code> and "Replace with:" <code><nowiki>{{Audio|$1}}</nowiki></code> . The "Treat search string as a regular expression" checkbox is required to be checked on the dialog box as well. [[User:MomoRuns|MomoRuns]] ([[User talk:MomoRuns|talk]]) 14:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

::::::Looking good so far, took much quicker to load this time, instead of using the usual file interface for Google. [[User:Gameboy2936|Gameboy2936]] ([[User talk:Gameboy2936|talk]]) 01:45, 16 May 2020 (UTC)